Question for Phil

[Jeffery McElroy]

If anyone wants to answer this they should feel free to, however Phil is probably the only one who can. Ok, here goes:


Why the hell was France given a piece of Germany at Yalta? What did they do to deserve it?

[LI Phil]

If anyone wants to answer this they should feel free to, however Phil is probably the only one who can. Ok, here goes:


Why the hell was France given a piece of Germany at Yalta? What did they do to deserve it?
I don't know. I don't have the time to research it today. But they did nothing to deserve anything after WWII. Probably some Truman Doctrine shit.

It's hard to know who I hate worse...the country whose *** we saved or the country whose *** we kicked...

[Jeffery McElroy]

I asked my history teacher and he diddn't know either...Thanks anyway.

[ROLLTIDE]

This is ask the experts section not ask Phil

[Jeffery McElroy]

Is Phil not an expert? :wink:

Can you give me the answer?

[LI Phil]

Is Phil not an expert? :wink:

Can you give me the answer?
"Though secondary to the Polish question, the question of the occupation zones was discussed at the Yalta conference. Churchill there proposed to allot an occupation zone to France. Stalin treated the idea skeptically, but Roosevelt assured Churchill privately that he was prepared to give France a section of the American zone. Near the end of the conference, the Big Three agreed to give France a seat on the German Control Commission."

[Jeffery McElroy]

Ah the Big Three. So it was not Truman. Why would they do that?

[LI Phil]

Ah the Big Three. So it was not Truman. Why would they do that?
http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=90

[Jeffery McElroy]

http://aeragon.com/00/01/28-0944a.jpg

Didn’t FDR die shortly after the treaty? Perhaps his thought processes were not completely coherent. I love this picture. You have on display three almost god-like figures all at the same place in time.

[LI Phil]

http://aeragon.com/00/01/28-0944a.jpg

Didn’t FDR die shortly after the treaty? Perhaps his thought processes were not completely coherent. I love this picture. You have on display three almost god-like figures all at the same place in time.
You have a drunk, a cripple and a mass murderer...not exactly what I'd call godlike...

[Jeffery McElroy]

True, but I mean godlike in the sense that they were very BIG people (Churchill scores twice here). Hey, and Hephaestus was crippled too.

[LI Phil]

True, but I mean godlike in the sense that they were very BIG people (Churchill scores twice here). Hey, and Hephaestus was crippled too.
And Time Magazine named Hitler "Man of the Year." Who's next UBL?

[Jeffery McElroy]

They did? At what time in history? Joseph Stalin was one bad dude, but Rocky managed to beat Dolph Lundgrenand and win the Cold War for us. What a seminal moment in American foreign relations!

[LI Phil]

They did? At what time in history? Joseph Stalin was one bad dude, but Rocky managed to beat Dolph Lundgrenand and win the Cold War for us. What a seminal moment in American foreign relations!
http://i.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1939/1101390102_400.jpg (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/0,9263,7601390102,00.html)

http://www.time.com/time/personoftheyear/archive/photohistory/hitler.html

[jarcher]

In the fall of 1944 the Soviet Union and the Provisional Government of France had entered into a treaty of friendship. It was immediately obvious at Yalta, however, that the treaty and the friendly words exchanged over it by the diplomats had not changed in any degree Marshal Stalin's opinion on the contribution of France to the war. He thought France should play little part in the control of Germany, and stated that Yugoslavia and Poland were more entitled to consideration than France.

When Roosevelt and Churchill proposed that France be allotted a zone of occupation, Stalin agreed. But it was clear he agreed only because the French zone was to be taken out of the territory allotted to the United States and the United Kingdom. And he especially opposed giving France a representative on the Allied Control Council for Germany. He undoubtedly concurred in the opinion expressed to the President by Mr. Molotov that this should be done "only as a kindness to France and not because she is entitled to it."

"I am in favor of France being given a zone," Stalin declared, "but I cannot forget that in this war France opened the gates to the enemy." He maintained it would create difficulties to give France a zone of
occupation and a representative on the Allied Control Council and refuse the same treatment to others who had fought more than France. He said France would soon demand that de Gaulle attend the Big
Three's Conferences.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RUSyalta.JPG

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWyalta.htm

[LI Phil]

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[Jeffery McElroy]

Thanks Jarcher! Wow Phil, that image is shocking. 1938!!!

[Jeffery McElroy]

1938 = Kristallnacht

[LI Phil]

1938 = Kristallnacht
There was a lot more bad shit going on in 1938 than just the night of broken glass...the world just didn't know it at the time.

[jarcher]

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/hol-pix/2boys.gif http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/timeline.html




and on a lighter note
http://www.filmsite.org/posters/adve1.gif

and that one was awsome

[Hemorhage]

France can kiss my phuckin Lilly White AZZ!!