Anybody still pro-illegal immigrant want to respond?

[Stormlover]

10 points from Los Angeles Times
May 02, 2006 08:28 AM EST


1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million
people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

4. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal
alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.

10. In L.A.County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L.A.County).

(All 10 from the Los Angeles Times)

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare.
http://www.cis.org

Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.

The cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was a NET (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay) $70 BILLION a year, [Professor Donald Huddle, Rice University].

The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE

29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

[Stormlover]

Interesting how the loudmouths protesting us trying to protect our borders don't respond to facts....

Thoughts on immigration from a teacher's husband.
>>
>> As you all listen to the news about the student protests over illegal
>> immigration there are some things that you should be aware of.
>>
>> My wife is in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at
>> large southern California high school which is designated a Title 1
>> school, meaning that its students average lower socio-economic and
>> income
>> levels. Most of the schools you are hearing about South Gate High, Bell
>> Gardens, Huntington Park, etc., where these students are protesting are
>> also Title 1 schools.
>>
>> My wife tells me that 100% of the students in her school and other Title
>> 1 schools are on the free breakfast, free lunch program. When I say free
>> breakfast I' m not talking a glass of milk and roll... but a full
>> breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a
>> Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and
>> trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten. She estimates that well
>> over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight.
>> About 75% or more DO have cell phones.
>>
>> The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant
>> girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the
>> inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family
>> watch
>> their kids.
>>
>> She was ordered to spend $700,000 on her department or risk losing
>> funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for
>> anything; her budget was already substantial. She ended up buying new
>> computers for their computer learning center. Half of which, one month
>> later, have been carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who
>> obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America.
>>
>> She has had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers
>> whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the
>> country less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the female
>> teachers, calling them "Putas"--*****s--and throwing things that the
>> teachers were in tears.
>>
>> Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc.. etc.. etc.. Is
>> it
>> any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to
>> demand rights, privileges and entitlements?
>>
>> To friends who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants
>> contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and
>> housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in
>> the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs. Higher
>> insurance, Medical facilities closing, higher medical , more crime ,
>> lower standards of education in our schools , overcrowding, new diseases
>> etc.. etc.. etc.. For me--- I'll pay more for tomatoes.
>>
>> We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because
>> we won't have the guts to enforce it. Does anyone in their right mind
>> really think they will leave and return voluntarily?
>>
>> There are many hardworking Hispanic/American citizens that contribute to
>> our country and many that I consider my true friends. We should
>> encourage
>> and accept those Hispanics who have done it the right and legal way. It
>> does, however, have everything to do with culture. A third-world culture
>> that does not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant
>> and
>> dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate... and an
>> American culture that has become so weak and politically correct that we
>> don't have the will
>> to do anything about it.
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>> If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone
>> you know.

[soonermeteor]

Well, the majority of those are no big deal and can be fixed by making the illegals legal, such as the welfare/tax percentages. Im sorry you dont like spanish speaking radio stations, even though anywhere else in the world we expect english.

[Stormlover]

Well, the majority of those are no big deal and can be fixed by making the illegals legal, such as the welfare/tax percentages. Im sorry you dont like spanish speaking radio stations, even though anywhere else in the world we expect english.
Let's just make criminals non-criminals and fix the crime problem then...what an assinine statement/cursing

[soonermeteor]

Uh.... i never said anything about making criminals non-criminals...... the only thing the majority of these people have done wrong was get into this country illeagaly... and you know whose fault that is? OURS! If we didnt limit immigration with a " sorry, full" sign on the statue of liberty, we wouldnt have this illeagle issue. Plus, why do you think they want to come here anyway? Good ol willy's NAFTA let US companies jump over the Grande and pay mexicans pennies for work to lower costs.

This country has a sad history of trying to stop immigration... it was the same situation back in 1900 when there were several laws passed to try to keep eastern europeans and Irish out of this country. Well, if it wasn't for the fact that my irish great grandparents saved up enough and fought their way in, i wouldnt be here right now.

[Stormlover]

Uh.... i never said anything about making criminals non-criminals...... the only thing the majority of these people have done wrong was get into this country illeagaly... and you know whose fault that is? OURS! If we didnt limit immigration with a " sorry, full" sign on the statue of liberty, we wouldnt have this illeagle issue. Plus, why do you think they want to come here anyway? Good ol willy's NAFTA let US companies jump over the Grande and pay mexicans pennies for work to lower costs.

This country has a sad history of trying to stop immigration... it was the same situation back in 1900 when there were several laws passed to try to keep eastern europeans and Irish out of this country. Well, if it wasn't for the fact that my irish great grandparents saved up enough and fought their way in, i wouldnt be here right now.
Yeah,that's why there are perhaps 20 million illegals here already taking over our schools,hospitals,etc. You're anti-U.S. bias shows when you blame us for someone else breaking the law...why don't you blame us for a murderer breaking the law...if we didn't have that as a law,he wouldn't be a law breaker....give me a freakin' break...sometimes it sounds like you live on another planet.

[tigergirl]

I am a teacher in a adult ed program and I far one know that our hispanic students are very good mothers(I know this because we also have a daycare and home visits) and the husbands working with work visa are very hard workers who pay taxes but cannot apply for foodstamps, etc. Sadly, I cannot say that about my other students who continue to get preg. (avg age 14) and are in no hurry to get their GED so they can continue to come to school for "free babysitting" and "gossip sessions".
It is a tough call on to say how many do we allow to live and work here. But I have to disagree that they are "taking over" our schools and hospitals. It seems that way, but THEY DO WANT TO LEARN AND WORK!!!!!!!! The big question is how do we MOTIVATE AMERICANS TO DO THE SAME!@!!!??? LIke for instance, the adult ed program is for anyone and everyone. How come the hispanics are working harder to get their education than some americans?? Some have to start by learning english first and then moving on to reading and math and they still finish before some of my American students. From my experience, I'd have to say that our Americans in my school seem to be "comfortable" with their financial position while our Hispanic students are wanting to better themselves.

I know that this situation might not be the same as somewhere else... but this is how it is in my community.

[Stormlover]

You disagree with the facts of what is going on then...in Cal,in Arizona, in New Mexico, Texas...and smaller communities scattered about.
How about this too,our own governnment is stabbing our own citizens in the back trying to protect our borders since the government won't

U.S. tipping Mexico to Minuteman patrols
By Sara A. Carter, Staff Writer


While Minuteman civilian patrols are keeping an eye out for illegal border crossers, the U.S. Border Patrol is keeping an eye out for Minutemen -- and telling the Mexican government where they are.
According to three documents on the Mexican Secretary of Foreign Relations Web site, the U.S. Border Patrol is to notify the Mexican government as to the location of Minutemen and other civilian border patrol groups when they participate in apprehending illegal immigrants -- and if and when violence is used against border crossers.

A U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman confirmed the notification process, describing it as a standard procedure meant to reassure the Mexican government that migrants' rights are being observed.

"It's not a secret where the Minuteman volunteers are going to be," Mario Martinez said Monday.

"This ... simply makes two basic statements -- that we will not allow any lawlessness of any type, and that if an alien is encountered by a Minuteman or arrested by the Minuteman, then we will allow that government to interview the person."

Minuteman members were not so sanguine about the arrangement, however, saying that reporting their location to Mexican officials nullifies their effectiveness along the border and could endanger their lives.

"Now we know why it seemed like Mexican officials knew where we were all the time," said Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. "It's unbelievable that our own government agency is sending intelligence to another country. They are sending intelligence to a nation where corruption runs rampant, and that could be getting into the hands of criminal cartels.

"They just basically endangered the lives of American people."

Officials with the Mexican consulate in Washington, D.C., could not be reached for comment Monday.

Martinez said reporting the location of immigrant apprehensions to consulate representatives is common practice if an illegal immigrant requests counsel or believes they have been mistreated.

"Once an illegal alien is apprehended, they can request counsel," he said. "We have to give their counsel the information about their apprehension, and that includes where they are apprehended, whether a Minuteman volunteer spotted them or a citizen."

Martinez said Mexico's official perception of the civilian groups is that they are vigilantes, a belief the Border Patrol hoped to allay by entering into the cooperative agreement.

One of the documents on the Web site, "Actions of the Mexican Government in Relation to the Activities of Vigilante Groups," states that Mexican consulate representatives stay in close contact with Border Patrol chiefs to ensure the safety of migrants trying to enter the U.S., those being detained and the actions of all "vigilantes" along the border.

"The Mexican consul in Presidio also contacted the chief of the Border Patrol in the Marfa Sector to solicit his cooperation in case they detect any activity of `vigilantes,' and was told to immediately contact the consulate if there was," according to the document.

"Presidio" refers to Presidio County, Texas, which is in the Big Bend region and a gateway to northern Mexico.

The document also describes a meeting with San Diego Border Patrol sector chief Darryl Griffen.

"(Griffen) said that the Border Patrol will not permit any violence or any actions contrary to the law by the groups, and he is continuously aware of (the volunteer organizations') operations," according to the document. "Mr. Griffen reiterated to the undersecretary his promise to notify the General Consul right away when the vigilantes detain or participate in the detention of any undocumented Mexicans."

The documents specifically named the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps and its patrols, which began monitoring Arizona's southern border in April 2005, as well as Friends of the Border Patrol, a Chino-based nonprofit.

TJ Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council, a union representing more than 10,000 Border Patrol agents, said agents have complained for years about the Mexican consulate's influence over the agency.

"It worries me (that the Mexican government) seems to be unduly influencing our enforcement policies. That's not a legitimate role for any foreign nation," Bonner said, though he added, "It doesn't surprise me."

Border Patrol agents interviewed by the Daily Bulletin said they have been asked to report to sector headquarters the location of all civilian volunteer groups, but to not file the groups' names in reports if they spot illegal immigrants.

"Last year an internal memo notified all agents not to give credit to Minuteman volunteers or others who call in sightings of illegal aliens," said one agent, who spoke on the condition he not be identified. "We were told to list it as a citizen call and leave it at that. Many times, we were told not to go out to Minuteman calls."

The document also mentions locations of field operations of Friends of the Border Patrol, which patrolled the San Diego sector from June to November 2005. Mexican officials had access to the exact location of the group founded by Andy Ramirez, which ran its patrols from the Rough Acre Ranch, a private property in McCain Valley.

Ramirez said that for safety reasons, he disclosed the location of his ranch patrol only to San Diego Border Patrol and law enforcement officials. The group did not apprehend or spot any undocumented migrants in that area.

"We did not release this information ... to the media or anyone else," Ramirez said. "We didn't want to publicize that information. But there it is, right on the Mexican government's Web site, and our government gave it to them."