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09-18-2008, 10:05 AM
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I will say that if it were a Cat-4 or 5 Houston would be realing like no other. The weather has really helped us with Ike. I'm in NW Houston and the wind was just crazy. This is my first hurricane and it has my fullest of attention, I will not stay for anything above a Cat-3 that's for certain. The destruction in our area is unbeleviable. Houston just has so many trees. I went to the heights district and that was a freeking mess. Mayor Bill White has done a hell of a job!
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09-18-2008, 11:13 AM
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Hollowman Wrote:Hi guys.....we just got power back on today. That was a hell of a ride to say the least. Anything stronger and I will be evacuating for sure!!

Great to have you back and safe.

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09-18-2008, 11:54 AM
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Shasta Wrote:I will say that if it were a Cat-4 or 5 Houston would be realing like no other. The weather has really helped us with Ike. I'm in NW Houston and the wind was just crazy. This is my first hurricane and it has my fullest of attention, I will not stay for anything above a Cat-3 that's for certain. The destruction in our area is unbeleviable. Houston just has so many trees. I went to the heights district and that was a freeking mess. Mayor Bill White has done a hell of a job!

Don't stay above a Cat2. Too traumatic.
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09-18-2008, 05:29 PM
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Windwatcher Wrote:Don't stay above a Cat2. Too traumatic.

Yeah Wind,

I think I have stayed for my last one. I'm getting too old for this mess. Of course, leaving and then wondering what shape your home is in is probably worse. Just sitting around my sister's house in Georgetown, waiting to get our electricity back on is about to drive me up the wall. However, I am thinking about going to Shady Grove in Austin tonight to hear some good blues music. Gary Clark, a great blues singer is going to be there.

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09-18-2008, 06:08 PM
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Some Ike victims may not be allowed to rebuild
By MICHAEL GRACZYK and CAIN BURDEAU, Associated Press Writers
16 minutes ago



Hundreds of people whose beachfront homes were wrecked by Hurricane Ike may be barred from rebuilding under a little-noticed Texas law. And even those whose houses were spared could end up seeing them condemned by the state.

Now here's the saltwater in the wound: It could be a year before the state tells these homeowners what they may or may not do.

Worse, if these homeowners do lose their beachfront property, they may get nothing in compensation from the state.

The reason: A 1959 law known as the Texas Open Beaches Act. Under the law, the strip of beach between the average high-tide line and the average low-tide line is considered public property, and it is illegal to build anything there.

Over the years, the state has repeatedly invoked the law to seize houses in cases where a storm eroded a beach so badly that a home was suddenly sitting on public property. The aftermath of Ike could see the biggest such use of the law in Texas history.

"I don't like it one bit," said Phillip Curtis, 58, a Dallas contractor who owns two homes — a $350,000 vacation home and a $200,000 rental — on Galveston Island's Jamaica Beach. "I think the state should allow us to try to save the houses. I don't appreciate the state telling people, `Now it belongs to us.' It breaks your heart."

The former state senator who wrote the law had little sympathy.

"We're talking about damn fools that have built houses on the edge of the sea for as long as man could remember and against every advice anyone has given," A.R. "Babe" Schwartz said.

Ike's 110 mph winds and 26-foot waves obliterated the 4- to 6-foot dunes and redrew the tide lines along a broad stretch of the Texas Gulf Coast.

Texas General Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson, a Republican whose office is responsible for policing the beaches, said he saw hundreds of houses in jeopardy of being declared on the beach unlawfully as he flew over the coastline this week.

"And those are the ones still standing," he said. Other homes, he said, were reduced to pilings sticking up out of the sand or water.

Patterson said no decision on whether homeowners can continue living there would be made for at least a year, while authorities watch the ever-shifting boundaries of the beach.

"You want to have at least a complete all four seasons and find out what Mother Nature is actually going to do until she finishes what she's going to do," Patterson said.

That could put homeowners in a bind. Many may be afraid to spend money on home repairs if there is a chance the state is just going to condemn the property.

Those whose homes were destroyed can collect insurance. But it is unclear whether those whose undamaged homes are condemned under the Texas law will get any compensation, from the state or anyone else. Land Office spokesman Jim Suydam said the agency used to offer people up to $50,000 to move, but he didn't know if that fund still exists.

Rebuilding the eaten-away beaches does not appear to be an option. Schwartz said that the Gulf of Mexico does not deposit sand on Galveston Island and other nearby beaches, and that trucking in huge amounts of sand would not work, because storms would just wash it away within a year or two.

The law was enacted when there were far fewer houses on the Texas coast. In fact, there are lot more houses on the coast now than there were in 1983, during Hurricane Alicia, the last time the law was invoked against large numbers of homeowners. Many of the beach homes on Galveston and other nearby beaches are second homes, many of them rather modest.

Schwartz said the area's homeowners should not be surprised.

"Every one of them was warned of that in their earnest money contract, in the deed they received, in the title policy they bought," he said. "And whether you like it or not, neither the Constitution of the United States nor the state of Texas nor any law permits you to have a structure on state-owned property that's subject to the flow of the tide."

California and Oregon have similar laws.

State Rep. Craig Eiland, a Galveston Democrat, said he is not aware of any move in the Legislature to change the Open Beaches Act. And the track record for those who choose to fight the state in court is grim.

"No one has ever succesfully ever beaten the state when the state comes after you under the Open Beaches Act," said Charles Irvine, a Houston coastal law attorney. "But everyone still tries to think up innovative arguments."

Susan Holman, 60, of Dallas, owns a house with her brother on Pirate's Beach on Galveston Island. Her parents built it 25 years ago as a vacation home. The home is still intact, but the water's edge is now close, meaning the house might be seized.

"Until we know more, I'm not going to worry about something that hasn't happened," she said. But she added: "If that did happen, it would break our hearts."

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Associated Press Writer Monica Rhor in Houston contributed to this report. Michael Graczyk reported from Houston
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09-18-2008, 06:14 PM (This post was last modified: 09-18-2008 06:18 PM by Cahoots.)
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09-18-2008, 06:30 PM
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This certainly qualifies as politics, but that seems to be the direction this thread is going now that Ike is history. I really think "local authorites" make a huge mistake making it so difficult for people to get back to their property after a storm and that the net result will be fewer people will evacuate for the next storm for fear of being denied access to their home when it is over. I never evacuate other than to a particular building I know to be well built and on high(er) ground, and this is one of the principle reasons, I have usually checked on my business and my house before the police have come out when a storm is over. There is so much to do immediatly after a storm, especially if you own a business and need to touch base with your employees and make sure they are ok and that their pay is intact. There is also so much you can do to minimze the damage to your home in the first few days (given how much damage there is to it). Having reassembled my world after multiple storms I know and believe from experiance that the quicker you get started cleaning up and moving forward the better off you are. I understand that the local authorities have a duty to maintain public safety, but come on, they just had a major hurricane of course it's not safe and I don't think anyone really expects it to be. They know there are no public services and that life is going to be tough for a while, but at least let them get in and get started. Now as for keeping sightseers out - absoultley, but the residents deserve to get in, no matter how bad it is.

Off my soap box now.

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09-18-2008, 08:10 PM
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You make very valid points, Cahoots. It is almost cruel to not be allowed to return and survey the damage to your home. However, after Katrina, I saw the problems that the residents sometimes caused for the debris workers and the power company workers. They actually slowed the process and created dangers. Also, there are residents who are not capable enough or healthy enough to return to an area of utter devastation. But I agree with you, Cahoots. It is horrible to not be allowed to return to your own home.
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09-18-2008, 08:38 PM
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I cant even read all the posts since I was here. In short Chambers County is a disaster area. We just got power back but most of my county is a wasteland. We are still trying to get the dead cattle out of the trees. I ask yall to pray for us as we try and endure the months ahead. Thank God for FEMA and the water, ice, and food they have brought. Some say it wasnt fast enough, but I say they are crazy. We had supplies and prepared to be self reliant, FEMA just came in and cushioned the fall. Thanks for all this site brought to the table as IKE headed in. I dont regret staying but will never ride another one out. The stress just isnt worth it when your watching your kids sleep as your hoping your house makes it just a few more hours. Take care all, connection is too unreliable to check in often.

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09-18-2008, 09:14 PM
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TheBreeze Wrote:I cant even read all the posts since I was here. In short Chambers County is a disaster area. We just got power back but most of my county is a wasteland. We are still trying to get the dead cattle out of the trees. I ask yall to pray for us as we try and endure the months ahead. Thank God for FEMA and the water, ice, and food they have brought. Some say it wasnt fast enough, but I say they are crazy. We had supplies and prepared to be self reliant, FEMA just came in and cushioned the fall. Thanks for all this site brought to the table as IKE headed in. I dont regret staying but will never ride another one out. The stress just isnt worth it when your watching your kids sleep as your hoping your house makes it just a few more hours. Take care all, connection is too unreliable to check in often.

Prayers are with you, Breeze, from all of us here.
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